HINDU ADVAITA VS CHRISTIANITY

By Rasa Von Werder, January 27th, 2020
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Dream Talks About Hindu Nonduality  (Advaita) vs ChristianNonduality

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1-26-20-BIG CONFLICT IN SCHOOL-TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT

 

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There was this school I was part of – a huge one. But there’s been a RIFT – a conflict. I see one large part of the school on the side I’m on, another side is lining up in front of us, in rows of two, across us next to a tall maybe grey brick building.

 

          (THESE ARE ‘TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT’ I WAS PONDERING YESTERDAY – THE SCHOOL OF YOGA NONDUALITY & THE SCHOOL OF CHRISTIANITY.)

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          Someone must represent our side, but everyone is AFRAID because there will be fighting. But a lady I know who is more of a part of the school than I am {I’m just a fringe member} – a teacher perhaps, comes forward & stands there, as NO ONE ELSE IS COMING FORWARD FOR FEAR.

 

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(I WAS WONDERING WHY NO ONE HAS CHALLENGED OR EXPLAINED THE WAY WESTERNERS ARE TRANSLATING THE TEACHERS OF NONDUALITY. I FEEL THEIR TRANSLATIONS ARE FLAWED & THIS IS CONFUSING PEOPLE & LEADING THEM ASTRAY & LOSING THEM. WHY HAS NO ONE COME FORWARD & GIVEN BETTER EXPLANATIONS OF HOW THESE YOGIC STATES, VIRTUES, CONSCIOUSNESS, CAN BE COMPARED TO CHRISTIAN ONES? THEY ARE REALLY THE SAME, EXPLAINED IN DIFFERENT WORDS—BUT NO ONE EXPLAINING.)

 

          This lady reminds me of Rev. Verbal Talent who was my first living guru.

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          (WHO IS THIS WOMAN MOMGOD, THE MAIN ONE, WHILE I AM BUT A FRINGE MEMBER, BUT I STAND WITH HER SO SHE WILL NOT BE ALONE?

 

          THIS MIGHT BE THE MALE INTERVIEWER I SAW—BRICK–WHO CHALLENGED SOME OF THIS STUFF BEING SAID, AND HE WAS RIGHT. BUT THE INTERVIEW-E ARGUED ON & ON SO HE BACKED OFF & DROPPED IT.

 

          I WAS THINKING OF JOINING THIS PERSON ON HIS FORUM & LETTING HIM KNOW I AGREED WITH HIM.)

 

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          And so, because I don’t want her to STAND ALL ALONE I step forward as well, there are just two of us who are willing to represent our side – there are plenty of students behind us but they will not stand as warriors – across us they are hundreds, although no sparks have yet flown. The teacher I join is wearing a sort of shiny grey suit that hangs off her like liquid, a liquid skirt & jacket, luminous, flowing but not puffy, just straight down.

 

          (THIS SAYS THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE COULD MEET THE CHALLENGE THIS ‘SCHOOL OF THOUGHT’ REPRESENTS. BRICK SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ONE – HE’S DEEP IN THE CULTURE OF THESE PEOPLE, I’M BUT A FRINGE MEMBER, BUT I’D HELP HIM IF NEEDED.

 

          THE SUIT HE’S WEARING IS VERBAL ARMOR – HE IS EXTREMELY WELL PREPARED TO ARGUE, HE KNOWS HIS SUBJECT. THE SUIT REMINDS ONE OF SHINY GREY ARMOR BUT THIS IS WORDS SO IT’S LIKE ‘LUMINOUS LIQUID ARMOR.’)

 

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          Now she & I go to a sort of PARK, a large green campus with trees & we are milling about. We both take dry sticks. My stick has prongs, so I’m snapping them off. Nothing has happened. The school building is to the left.

 

          Now to the right here comes a mob, like 200 women, facing us. My partner is so frightened she JUST RUNS OFF at her fastest speed (she was good in track) – to the right front, the crowd is more to the left, they are shoulder-to-shoulder females.

 

          (POSSIBLY THIS SCHOOL OF THOUGHT IS SEEN AS FEMALES BECAUSE THEY ARE HINDUS – MOST OF THEM ARE WEARING FEMININE GARB. SOME WEAR ONLY BIKINI BOTTOMS, INCLUDING A CHIEF, RAMANA MAHARSHI, WE’RE DISCUSSING A LOT – SOME OF THEM WEAR SKIRTS DOWN TO THEIR ANKLES, SOME WEAR SARIS SIMILAR TO WOMEN’S (AS GHANDI WORE).

 

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          ACCORDING TO THIS THERE ARE HORDES OF YOGIS / HINDUS READY TO FACE US & ATTACK & BRICK REALLY DOES NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS – HE WOULD ABANDON ME & DESERT ME BEFORE THE SHYT HIT THE FAN. THIS SAYS HE’S GOOD AT BACKING OFF OR AVOIDING AN ARGUMENT.

 

          WHAT IS MY STICK? JUST A STAFF LIKE MOSES HAD, IT ISN’T FOR HARM, IT’S A STICK OF HEALING, THE WAY MOSES PUT HIS STAFF ON HIGH, WITH SNAKES RUNNING THROUGH IT, & THOSE WHO LOOKED UPON IT WERE HEALED. I DON’T MEAN HARM, I’M TRYING TO HEAL MISUNDERSTANDING.)

 

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          This crowd sees me taking these dry stub branches off my stick  (they are sharp, I am disarming my walking staff) – I wonder if they think I’m making a weapon, it’s just a light stick, nothing you could hurt someone with.

 

          As I leave various people are staring at me as if they will mob me & hurt me, but I am able to rise into the air, even 20-40’ & move along, they can’t even reach me, so I escape their premises.

 

          (AT FIRST, I’M ABLE TO RISE SPIRITUALLY BUT I GET TIRED OR EXHAUSTED & GET VULNERABLE. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN MY STATE YESTERDAY, AS I WAS FIGHTING DEMONS & RECITED ABOUT 50 EXORCISMS.

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OR IT COULD BE A WARNING THAT AT FIRST, I’LL DO WELL, BUT EXHAUSTION WILL WEAR ME OUT & I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO MY BEST.)

 

          On the road escaping, another bunch of women is going to attack me. Next to us is a sunken field with many dryish sumacs, with twisted bodies like Japanese Maples, & I try to fly over that, but the women follow me by walking – I can’t rise up in the air enough, my flying abilities have lately failed me. What saves me is we see a stack of these dry sumac branches piled high in the middle of this tiny field (it’s only about 30’ in diameter), & we all agree, this is a funeral pyre ready to be lit. They seem so curious / surprised that they stop thinking about me & I escape.

 

          (WHAT IS THIS FUTURE FUNERAL PYRE IN THE FIELD THAT SAVES ME?

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          IT COULD BE WHEN THE ATTACKERS FIND OUT MY AGE THEY DON’T WANT TO HURT ME, AS THEY HAVE RESPECT FOR THEIR ELDERS. AFTER ALL, I’M GOING TO DIE SOON (HAHA) SO SHOW SOME RESPECT.

 

          I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING – HAVE NOT ARGUED WITH ANYONE. THIS SIMPLY ANTICIPATES WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I DID, MY GOD SELF WANTS ME TO AVOID THE ACTIVITY. I HEARD MY INNER VOICE SAY ‘LEAVE THEM ALONE.’)

 

          I then decide to leave. There isn’t any fighting, but as I’m almost to the road that will take me back, I hear two females behind me & they have small clubs, a big woman & a smaller one, & they are saying something like,

 

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  “Let’s let her have it, get it over with.”

 

          I turn, look at them – we are in a small rural alley with a gate (the alley about 10’), (there’s a pretty light green painted wooden window shutter near) I know they mean me, so I quickly get out of that spot, go to the main road & somehow get away.

 

          (IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE WOULD COME FROM ALL DIRECTIONS & PLACES TO ‘GET YOU’ {SO DON’T GET STARTED.} THEY WOULD NOT APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU’RE TRYING TO HELP, THEY’D SEE YOU AS AN ENEMY, AN INTERLOPER. THEY WOULD REACT IRRATIONALLY. THIS DREAM IS A WARNING.

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ME TO MOMGOD: WHY WOULD MY EFFORTS TO HELP BE SEEN IRRATIONALLY, WITH ANGER, AS IF I’M AN ENEMY?

 

BECAUSE IT’S THEIR VANITY. THESE YOGIS WANT PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THEY HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE, MYSTERIOUS DISCIPLINE CALLED ‘NONDUALITY,’ WHICH NO ONE UNDERSTANDS OR PRACTICES EXCEPT THE ELITE OF ALL YOGIS.

 

FOR YOU TO SAY ‘LOOK, WE CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS DISCIPLINE SINCE DAY ONE, WE JUST CALL IT DIFFERENT TERMS, TO THEM WOULD ATTACK THEIR EGOS, THEY WOULD SEE IT AS AN ATTEMPT TO TAKE AWAY WHAT THEY HAVE.

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THEY HAVE MADE A GOOD BUSINESS, PROFIT & STATUS FROM REPRESENTING THE WAY OF THE ‘MYSTERIOUS EAST.’ – IT MAKES THEM IMPORTANT TO US. THEY HAVE GURUS & ASHRAMS WITH ALL THAT GOES WITH IT. THEY GAIN GREAT STATURE, FAME, & RESOURCES, FROM WESTERNERS WHO WANT TO GAIN SOMETHING WE DON’T HAVE.  (This is NOT to say the Enlightened souls are doing this, it’s the ordinary ones, those who are NOT enlightened, who are full of ego & vanity, that would be upset.)

 

FOR YOU TO CLAIM THERE IS NO MYSTERY & PROVE IT WILL MAKE YOU A GREAT ENEMY & THEY WOULD WANT TO BEAT THE LIVING SHYT OUT OF YOU JUST LIKE THE DREAM.)

 

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          After escaping various situations where these women would beat me up, I am back at our original school, it seems to the right side of it– our friendly area, & I’m climbing up some tall wide school stairs recently painted. The color is a dark shiny green, the paint so fresh, {it even has a pleasant smell,} on the stairs & walls that it’s slightly sticky.

 

(WHAT IS THE RECENTLY PAINTED STAIRCASE DEEP SHINY GREEN, SO FRESH IT EVEN SMELLS NICE?

 

IT’S THE RECENT SYNOPSIS OF A FEW THINGS YOU STATED WITHIN THIS DREAM WHICH COMPARE NONDUALITY TO CHRISTIAN TERMS. A STAIRCASE IS LIKE A ROAD, A WAY, HERE YOU HAVE IMPROVED A ROAD, A WAY TO UNDERSTANDING HOW CHRISTIANS PRACTICE NONDUALITY, & IT GOES UP—TOWARD GOD—NOT DOWN, WHICH WOULD BE HELL.

 

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BUT YOU’RE NOT SURROUNDED BY FRIGHTENED ENEMIES, YOU’RE HERE ON OUR OWN TURF, OUR SCHOOL, SO YOU’RE AT PEACE, HAPPY, REJOICING, NOT IN CONFLICT.)

 

I get all the way up to a floor, very wide room, like five big rooms together – our compatriots milling about–& I tell someone that Rev. Verbal ditched me, took off running. My lady associate says,

 

          “She was made to run.”

 

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          But I was a success, & I hear a song I love & I do the greatest callisthenic dance I often do in dreams, where I tumble in the air completely around so my head aims at the floor, & a few other paranormal moves, & everyone knows I’ve succeeded & done a good job, & I’m happy—the way you feel when you’ve succeeded an ordeal.

 

          (NOTICE I ESCAPE BEATINGS FROM THE WOMEN / HINDUS / YOGIS BUT I RETURN TO OUR OWN FRIENDLY SPACE, SCHOOL, COMPATRIOTS. MY CONCLUSION TO THIS DILEMMA WAS TO SIMPLY DO THE HOMEWORK IN HOW TO TRANSLATE, TRANSPOSE THESE ‘NONDUALITY’ PRINCIPLES INTO CHRISTIAN TERMS – PRESENT THEM ON MY OWN TURF WITHOUT GETTING MIXED UP WITH THE ‘NONDUALISTS’ & THIS WAY I WOULD SUCCEED. I AM DOING A VICTORY DANCE.)

 

         But it’s not over. Now somehow, we have to go on a journey. We must GET HOME. I make SEVERAL TRIES. I recall this one.

 

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          My sister seems to be our guide. She thinks she knows the way, but when we get to a bridge, I tell her, no I don’t think this is right, there was no bridge last time I made it home. {The bridge is over a small, shallow river, it’s not long or high up, just like a road with iron bars on the side—one side houses a dam of sorts. It just stops, & there’s a barrier that makes the water pile up. But much of the water is apparently allowed to go under as it’s flowing.} But she insists we keep walking. There are others with us, like kids, we are the guides.

 

          (MY SISTER REPRESENTS THE PRAGMATIC—ALWAYS. IT’S PART OF ME. THIS IS TELLING ME NOT TO LISTEN TO MY HUMAN, LOGICAL GUIDANCE BUT TO GO BY SPIRITUAL INSTINCT. I’VE DONE THIS BEFORE – THERE WAS NO BRIDGE. IT’S THE WRONG ROAD, WRONG WAY TO GO, MOMENTARILY WE SEE THAT.

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          BUT WHERE AM I GOING, WHERE AM TRYING TO GET? WHAT IS ‘HOME’ IN THIS DREAM?

                    

          IT WOULD BE THE GOAL OF UNDERSTANDING NONDUALITY IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE, THAT IS EFFECTIVE.

 

          ‘THERE IS NO BRIDGE’ ON THE WAY THERE IS THIS IS NONDUALITY – NOT TWO THINGS, BUT ONE. A BRIDGE CONNECTS TWO THINGS, TWO SIDES. SO I AM SAYING ‘WE ARE NONDUALISTS JUST AS THEY ARE.’

 

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  THE WAY THESE NONDUAL TEACHERS ARE EXPLAINING GOES INTO THE ‘TWILIGHT ZONE.’ I HAD SOME HEARTY LAUGHS AS I LISTENED TO ONE INTERVIEW. THE TEACHER SPOKE ABOUT:

 

         ‘DESTROYING THE MIND’ – ‘THE REALITY WE ARE SEEING IS NOT REAL, JUST AN ILLUSION THAT’S ONLY SEEN BY US, NO ONE ELSE – WE HAVE PROJECTED IT……THERE IS NO BIRTH OR DEATH, THERE IS NO TIME, THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY IS NOT TRUE AS THERE ARE NO TWO THINGS, ONLY ONE THING…..WHEN YOU PULL BACK THE MIND FROM ITS OBJECT YOU DESTROY IT, THEN YOU SEE THE SELF WHICH IS GOD, THAT IS THE GOAL, TO GET RID OF THE MIND. THIS IS SO CONFUSING, SO MISLEADING, MYSTIFYING, & THEY FEEL THEY ARE SUPERIOR TO US, THAT THEY HAVE ESOTERIC KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE NO ONE CAN MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF THIS.’ End their part

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          BUT MY POV IS: IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS LINGO YOU COULD LOSE YOUR MIND OR GO CRAZY, WE DON’T WANT TO DO THAT. WHEN THEY USE THE WORD ‘MIND’ IT IS TRANSLATED MIND BUT IT PROBABLY MEANS ‘ATTENTION’ – ‘FOCUS’.  OR IT SPEAKS OF THE CONSCIOUS MIND VS THE UNCONSCIOUS–BUT THE UNCONSCIOUS IS NEVER MENTIONED. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET YOU TO FOCUS ON THE INTERIOR & ON THE GOD WITHIN, & WE NEED BETTER TRANSLATION FROM THEIR TERMS TO OURS. BUT NONE OF THEM {the Western teachers} IS DOING THAT.)

 

          We hang a right before the bridge, the river is in front, & as we walk the path turns into weeds as tall as our faces – we’re engulfed – the road has ended & I tell her ‘I told you so.’

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          (WHAT ARE THE WEEDS, THE PATH ENDING, THE WEEDS ENGULFING US?

 

          THIS MIGHT REFER TO THE TERMS THEY ARE USING. YOU WON’T GET ANYWHERE BY THE WAY THEY EXPLAIN IT, WE GET ‘CHOCKED’ BY WEEDS OR ‘CAN’T GET THROUGH’ THE WEEDS – THE TERMS ARE THE WEEDS, A LOT OF BAD STUFF WE HAVE TO FIGHT THROUGH, WE CAN’T GET TO OUR GOAL.)

 

          I look at the bridge. On the far side of it there’s a dam where the water has accumulated & it’s fairly deep. There are two large horses that were in the river that are swimming & stopped right there at the end of the dam. I think about them & am concerned. I hope they’re OK, I think they are. But what do they mean?

 

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(HORSES MEAN WORK. THIS MIGHT BE SAYING ‘THE WORK ON THIS IS NOT GOING ON, IT IS STOPPED, IT IS TRUNCATED. IN OTHER WORDS, AS I SAID, THESE WESTERN TEACHERS, 99% OF WHOM ARE MEN, ARE NOT ABLE TO TRANSLATE HINDU NONDUALITY INTO OUR CHRISTIAN TERMS.

 

          CHRISTIAN MYSTICS HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING NONDUALITY, BUT THEY CALL IT ‘NO LONGER I LIVE, BUT CHRIST IN ME.’ CHRIST IS GOD, THEREFORE IF I AM DEAD BUT CHRIST LIVES IN ME MY LOWER SELF IS DEAD (EGO, DESIRES OF THE FLESH) BUT GOD IN ME IS ALIVE. THAT MEANS I AM GOD. THAT IS NONDUALITY, I AM GOD. IT’S NOT ME LOOKING AT GOD OUTSIDE, I HAVE ASCENDED, I HAVE DIED TO THE LOWER SELF, I AM LIVING, RADIATING GOD.

 

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        THEY ALSO SAY, ‘I HAVE DIED WITH CHRIST & RISEN WITH CHRIST.’

 

          WE CALL THE DYING OF THE EGO, DYING TO THE WORLD, FLESH & DEVIL, ‘DEATH TO SELF,’ THEY CALL ‘SELF’ IS GOD, SO AGAIN, TERMS. THEY MEAN ‘GOD SELF’ BUT DON’T USUALLY SAY IT. WHEN WE SAY ‘SELF’ WE MEAN EGO – THE THING THAT HAS TO DIE. THEY MEAN GOD.

 

          WE (THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIANS), MISUNDERSTOOD JESUS’ TEACHING & MADE HIM THE ONE & ONLY GURU WHEN THERE’S BEEN MANY. BUT AFTER WE WORSHIP HIM ‘IN FORM’—IN THE WAY OF BHAKTI OR LOVE, DEVOTION,–(THE NONDUALISTS SAY – THAT ‘FORM’ IS NOT THE FINAL STEP OF SPIRITUALITY) – WE DON’T STAY THAT WAY, WE HAVE BECOME HIM, THERE ARE NO LONGER TWO, HIM & ME, THERE’S ONLY ONE, I AM HE.

 

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          ANOTHER PHASE OF THIS IS CHRISTIANS WHO ARE ADVANCED PRACTICE ‘NON ATTACHMENT,’ WHICH MEANS PUT GOD FIRST, EVERYTHING ELSE AFTER, DON’T PUT ANYTHING BEFORE GOD, GOD IS A JEALOUS GOD, IF YOU PUT GOD FIRST EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE ADDED BY GOD.

 

          TO BE HONEST, IT ALL COMES OUT OF BUDDHISM—WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY 3,000 YEARS AGO, A FORM OF HINDU YOGA. FROM BUDDHA CAME JESUS, A REINCARNATED GURU. THE THREE WISE MEN CAME FROM INDIA TO HONOR THEIR REBORN GURU, CAME TO GET HIM WHEN HE WAS TWELVE, TOOK HIM TO INDIA OR TIBET, TAUGHT HIM UNTIL AGE TWENTY NINE & RETURNED HIM TO HIS PEOPLE. ALL HIS TEACHINGS WERE BUDDHIST.

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          HE HAD GREAT POWERS BECAUSE HE HAD ACQUIRED THEM IN PREVIOUS LIFETIMES; IT WAS WHAT YOGIS CALL ‘KARMIC RESIDUE.’ BESIDES THAT HE WAS PREPARED FOR SEVENTEEN YEARS HOW TO TEACH, PREACH & HEAL. HE WAS BORN ANOINTED & WAS TRAINED; THAT CREATED GREATNESS.

 

          HIS TEACHINGS ARE BUDDHIST – THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT–BUDDHISM. ALL HIS BASIC TENETS, CORE TEACHINGS, LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU, WHAT YOU DO TO THE LEAST OF THESE YOU DO TO ME (GOD) IS ALL BUDDHISM. AND SO, OUR CHRISTIANITY IS NOT FAR FROM HINDU-YOGA, WE JUST HAVE TO FIX THE IDIOMS.

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          THERE IS NO MYSTERY TO NONDUALITY, IT’S NOT ESOTERIC, IT’S NOT HARD TO REACH OR ACQUIRE, IT’S NOT MYSTERIOUS & TO MAKE IT SO IS WRONG. NONDUALITY IS A HIGH LEVEL OF SPIRITUALITY IN ANY RELIGION. I HAVE READ THE LIVES OF THE MYSTICAL SAINTS & THEY ALL HAD IT – READ ‘MYSTICISM’ BY EVELYN UNDERHILL, THE BEST BOOK ON THE SUBJECT I HAVE EVER READ, & IT NEVER EVEN MENTIONS HINDU NONDUALITY.

 

          THAT’S WHAT THIS DREAM IS ABOUT. IT SAYS ‘JUST DO IT, NOBODY ELSE IS, & NO ONE WILL HELP YOU.’

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